#1 August 4th, 2004 02:43 AM

MoodyTurtle

Member

Gushing Comments Only?

Dear Mister Head,

After reading your response to comments left by "froggydo" and me in regard to the "Shag" posting by Eliza, I'm left to wonder:  If all you want are positively gushing comments, why not just say so?  Or why not just remove the comments feature altogether? 

This site was sold to me on the premise that it was girls only...(that's all I ever saw here after weeks of checking your free content almost every day)...and not just another of those "live sex show things."

You do a great job with the site, but it's irksome when you apply the heavy hand to relevant comments.

*MoodyTurtle*

fatquack

Member

Re: Gushing Comments Only?

This site was sold to me on the premise that it was girls only...(that's all I ever saw here after weeks of checking your free content almost every day)...and not just another of those "live sex show things."

Well, there are 577 folios online and this is the second one with a girl and a boy in it. Actually there is one soloset too where the bf makes an appearance in a few pics, find it for bonuspoints.
So what is your problem?

FQ

gtrvox

Member

Re: Gushing Comments Only?

I'd like to add a few words to what Moody Turtle says (great nick, btw). I also found Head's reply to him re: the recent duet a little harsh. This is not so much about whether there should be G/B sets but whether *any* negative comments are allowed. There should be no flaming and nastiness but to express mild dislike of a folio should really not be out of bounds. No site can please everybody and so words will be said. As long as they're not unduly harsh, why not let it go? Incidentally, I share Froggydo's assessment of that particular folio - though that is neither here nor there. A certain amount of negative comments, expressed in a reasonable way, should be tolerated

Belgareth

Member

Re: Gushing Comments Only?

I'd like to add a few words to what Moody Turtle says (great nick, btw). I also found Head's reply to him re: the recent duet a little harsh. This is not so much about whether there should be G/B sets but whether *any* negative comments are allowed. There should be no flaming and nastiness but to express mild dislike of a folio should really not be out of bounds. No site can please everybody and so words will be said. As long as they're not unduly harsh, why not let it go? Incidentally, I share Froggydo's assessment of that particular folio - though that is neither here nor there. A certain amount of negative comments, expressed in a reasonable way, should be tolerated

I'm inclined to agree with the approach of "there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism". I think it would be very unfair to make negative comments, even though weare paying members and the ladies are rewarded for their efforts, this is still an amateur (God I hate that word!) site an is a kick against formalised pornography. If a folio contains both girl and boy/friend, then so what, it's still in essence ISM and not we shot ourselves.

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djdanafc

Member

Re: Gushing Comments Only?

I certainly agree with the constructive criticism element, in terms of the folios. There's nothing wrong with suggestions on how sets could be made more interesting, imaginative, sensual etc. Or if a shoot is too short, repetetive etc.

Where I do draw a line is personal negative comments about the model herself. I really think that if you don't particularly like the girl/young lady, then just don't leave a comment. You can see that some folios have many more comments than others anyway. Doesn't mean the girls with less comments are unpopular, perhaps they have a smaller but more dedicated and loyal following.

I am in no way wanting to see censorship or this site become a gushing "yes that's brilliant" site. However if I am not so keen on a particular folio etc I usually just don't comment on it. And if you do feel the need, then its better to make suggestions about what could make for a good one, especially if you think the girl is really lovely but the photos or set don't really do her justice. Well then, suggest how she could fulfill her own potential and the potential of this site and the freedom it gives to the girls.

But no horrible snide comments about physical attributes etc that will only serve to dent the model's confidence when she has been brave enough to exhibit herself in the hope that she will find appreciation of herself and her work here.

Just my feelings anyway.

Head

Member

Re: Gushing Comments Only?

The comments in this instance weren't about the girl (or guy), they were criticisms of the site, and the place to make those is here, not on their folio.  I could have deleted the comments, and sometimes we do.

Moody Turtle saw one folio which doesn't fit his idea of what should be here.  If he's going to question the direction the site is going in, I would say "one folio does not a trend make".  I haven't heard him complain about the porn some of the girls submit here though.

Same with froggydo.  His comment isn't constructive and I can't imagine what he thinks anyone is going to get out of reading it, other than an insight into his personality.  So what if it's "PG"? The intro pretty clearly states, and it's obvious from the chronology, that Part 2 will be more to his liking.  Perhaps he's too busy sorting out his score cards to read the text.

As far as guys on the site goes - there will be more of these duets, where an existing ISM artist brings her partner into a shoot.  Some are very intimate and some are amateur porn. They will comprise about one Extra update a fortnight, so if you don't like it, don't look - and keep in mind that ever since you signed up for 4 Extra releases a week, the average has been 5.

Meanwhile the Comments area is there for adoration and constructive criticism.  Critique of body parts isn't appropriate and comments like "nice tits" will be deleted, as will instructions to the girls as to how they "should" do this or that with their body hair or piercings or whatever.  The Project is about diversity.

Don't post comments you wouldn't say in public or directly to a girl's face.  If this offends your free speech sensibilities, tough shit.  All you guys hide behind screen names and if you think that lets you avoid responsibility for inappropriate comments then I for one am not interested in what you're saying.

onedaddy

Member

Re: Gushing Comments Only?

The comments in this instance weren't about the girl (or guy), they were criticisms of the site, and the place to make those is here, not on their folio.  I could have deleted the comments, and sometimes we do.

Moody Turtle saw one folio which doesn't fit his idea of what should be here.  If he's going to question the direction the site is going in, I would say "one folio does not a trend make".  I haven't heard him complain about the porn some of the girls submit here though.

Same with froggydo.  His comment isn't constructive and I can't imagine what he thinks anyone is going to get out of reading it, other than an insight into his personality.  So what if it's "PG"? The intro pretty clearly states, and it's obvious from the chronology, that Part 2 will be more to his liking.  Perhaps he's too busy sorting out his score cards to read the text.

As far as guys on the site goes - there will be more of these duets, where an existing ISM artist brings her partner into a shoot.  Some are very intimate and some are amateur porn. They will comprise about one Extra update a fortnight, so if you don't like it, don't look - and keep in mind that ever since you signed up for 4 Extra releases a week, the average has been 5.

Meanwhile the Comments area is there for adoration and constructive criticism.  Critique of body parts isn't appropriate and comments like "nice tits" will be deleted, as will instructions to the girls as to how they "should" do this or that with their body hair or piercings or whatever.  The Project is about diversity.

Don't post comments you wouldn't say in public or directly to a girl's face.  If this offends your free speech sensibilities, tough shit.  All you guys hide behind screen names and if you think that lets you avoid responsibility for inappropriate comments then I for one am not interested in what you're saying.

The principle that says "If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all" has a place here. I personally only felt I wanted to comment on one folio that I particularly liked and in fact became a sponsor because of that folio. Like others have said above, make a comment on the folio and not the girl but make it constructive is my angle on this.

I know this site purports to be about 'art' rather than porn but there are always going to be some submissions that push the envelope in a search for a career in porn or for shock value. I notice that ISM has no problem publishing those folios that cross that line and I feel that Head's responses here are a little out of proportion and personal.

Restating the site policy and outling the future direction of the site is fair enough but sarcastic comments about individual sponsors, their viewing/download activity choice of screen names etc, smacks of 'biting the hand that feeds you'.

We didn't develop the site but we certainly pay for it and Head's position as Administrator should be to moderate and run the site rather than make judgments or personal attacks on the paying public. Any breach of the rules should  be modified and addressed in private with the offender rather than in a flame.

Just my personal view you understand?

hotstone04

Member

Re: Gushing Comments Only?

Dear Mister Head,

After reading your response to comments left by "froggydo" and me in regard to the "Shag" posting by Eliza, I'm left to wonder:  If all you want are positively gushing comments, why not just say so?  Or why not just remove the comments feature altogether? 

This site was sold to me on the premise that it was girls only...(that's all I ever saw here after weeks of checking your free content almost every day)...and not just another of those "live sex show things."

You do a great job with the site, but it's irksome when you apply the heavy hand to relevant comments.

*MoodyTurtle*

all all all
Dear Mr/Mss Head

As a newcomer to ISM I would like to take this opportunity and let it to be known from me to all the girls who have and who are thinking of submitting a folio/s that you are all magically wonderful and not one falls below muster, and the thought of being on a South Sea island with ALL them, on my own - well that's enough of that dream, this is the reason I'm reluctant to comment on any individual girl for fear of making her my favourite, I have room for all of them in my heart and mind, yes the more artistic ones do show a little more imagination and some a lot more, but I'll not criticise them for that as that's what art is all about, to extend and improve the art form.
Also I have been reading the controversy that is raging about the way the site is being used and the way 'Head' uses his/her editing powers and members use the comments section.
Now as I said at the beginning I'm a newcomer but did a watching brief and considered it worthy of membership, so have no wish to add to the conflict (which I doubt).
One thing apparent and that is both sides have a valid points to make, I presume Head is one of the founders of the site so had the rights to make the rules, but they have to be work too without compromise, unless someone can prove certain changes can be made but to agreement of the majority of the prescribers and administrators that they make an improvement to the site, the very reason for the forum.
I for one would not renew my membership if more of the 'shag' kind of folio are excepted as our honourable member (sounds like the HP in London), has so strongly stated this is not what attracted me to the site, there's enough of that kind to be readily found all throughout the world web, but as 'Head' has rightly pointed out it's in the forum where this problem should be discussed and resolved.
That brings me to Head's role in all this, if he/she is/are the founders of the site and made the rules then they have work by them don't say "oh we'll let that one through," and which brought this controversy on, as that's only going to encourage others to try the same and making editorial decisions more difficult. Even girl on girl I'm not always happy with but accept it as others may.
To sum up, our honourable friend thought to complain to the folio submitters to show his dislike of the contents but the rules as the are do not permit that so, it's in the forum ones make the statement, then should 'Head' have allow the folio to be put on the site in first place. My personal thoughts are the folio should not have been allowed in first place and our honourable friend was right to make his statement but in the one place where would be discussed, the forum.
Well I've had my say for what it's worth (but a tuppence'worth), I'll now go back into to my shell and clam up.

Yours respectfully

hotstone04

terryb45

Member

Re: Gushing Comments Only?

As others have said - if you haven't anything good to say then don't say it. This works beautifully as you will see in the number of comments each girl gets. Less popular folios get fewer comments. And before you all rush in there I didn't say that those with fewer comments were bad, just that they were less popular.

I suspect that the reason that some of the girls make their first tentative steps into nude photography is that having seen the site they know that they will be treatedly kindly. Unlike some sites where the must appalling insults are allowed to be published.

As for the 'shag' posting, I can't see the reason for complaining about 1 posting when there are so many every week and unlike a lot of sites this one doesn't boast about posting every day and then miss out Sundays and public holidays. The previous folios with couples have been beautiful and I am sure the second part of this one will be too.

Freedom of speech brings responsibility and if anyone can't keep a civil tongue in their head then by all means remove their comments.

Belgareth

Member

Re: Gushing Comments Only?

As others have said - if you haven't anything good to say then don't say it. This works beautifully as you will see in the number of comments each girl gets. Less popular folios get fewer comments. And before you all rush in there I didn't say that those with fewer comments were bad, just that they were less popular.

I suspect that the reason that some of the girls make their first tentative steps into nude photography is that having seen the site they know that they will be treatedly kindly. Unlike some sites where the must appalling insults are allowed to be published.

As for the 'shag' posting, I can't see the reason for complaining about 1 posting when there are so many every week and unlike a lot of sites this one doesn't boast about posting every day and then miss out Sundays and public holidays. The previous folios with couples have been beautiful and I am sure the second part of this one will be too.

Freedom of speech brings responsibility and if anyone can't keep a civil tongue in their head then by all means remove their comments.

I became a member of this site simply to gain a appreciation of how people (not specifically the female gender) perceive themselves and how they wish to be perceived by others, within a context of nakedness.

I would like to hear from the contributors as to why they chose to take the different styles of images that make up their portfolios. It is clear that some are more outgoing than others but that fact provides a window into their personalities; nothing more and nothing less. As Head has already stated, the site is about diversity and you can't have diversity if you constrain it.

As an example, I adore Dandy's videos, simply because they are so open and honest, which is what I believe her character to be. I certainly do not see anything pornographic in them. Equally, I enjoyed watching Hazel's video because it had the same open honesty, although it is a completely different style. These are two that spring to mind rather that being absolute preferences BTW.

Of course there will always be the ones who push the boundaries but that's life!

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MrLance

Member

Re: Gushing Comments Only?

I joined this site under the impression that the theme here is the celebration of the female gender.  As a male who is turned off by the simulated (or quite possibly real) abuse and objectification of women in most of the adult material found today, I have found ISM to be a breath of fresh air.  I find the concept of the models being completely in control of what you see and how they are protrayed to be very stimulating in more ways than just the obvious.   
In the folio "shag", once again the woman is in control of what she wants us to see.   The model in question here has chosen to show us herself in a very vulnerable and intimate situation, making love with her man. Therefore, the male making it onto the site ends up just being part of what she is portraying. 
Head, only if you start posting folios of single men will this guy's argument have any validity.  Let's try to not do that, huh?  In the meantime, whatever way the women of Project ISM want to portray themselves is fine with me.  I'll continue watching and enjoying.

MoodyTurtle

Member

Re: Gushing Comments Only?

The comments in this instance weren't about the girl (or guy), they were criticisms of the site, and the place to make those is here, not on their folio.  I could have deleted the comments, and sometimes we do.

Moody Turtle saw one folio which doesn't fit his idea of what should be here.  If he's going to question the direction the site is going in, I would say "one folio does not a trend make".  I haven't heard him complain about the porn some of the girls submit here though.

Same with froggydo.  His comment isn't constructive and I can't imagine what he thinks anyone is going to get out of reading it, other than an insight into his personality.  So what if it's "PG"? The intro pretty clearly states, and it's obvious from the chronology, that Part 2 will be more to his liking.  Perhaps he's too busy sorting out his score cards to read the text.

As far as guys on the site goes - there will be more of these duets, where an existing ISM artist brings her partner into a shoot.  Some are very intimate and some are amateur porn. They will comprise about one Extra update a fortnight, so if you don't like it, don't look - and keep in mind that ever since you signed up for 4 Extra releases a week, the average has been 5.

Meanwhile the Comments area is there for adoration and constructive criticism.  Critique of body parts isn't appropriate and comments like "nice tits" will be deleted, as will instructions to the girls as to how they "should" do this or that with their body hair or piercings or whatever.  The Project is about diversity.

Don't post comments you wouldn't say in public or directly to a girl's face.  If this offends your free speech sensibilities, tough shit.  All you guys hide behind screen names and if you think that lets you avoid responsibility for inappropriate comments then I for one am not interested in what you're saying.

Dear Mister Head,
I'm sorry.  If I had known you were so thin-skinned and would get so upset and start swearing, I wouldn't have said anything about your  response to the comments "froggydo" and I made in the Shaq entry.  Please accept my humble apology.
*MoodyTurtle*

Head

Member

Re: Gushing Comments Only?

Dear Mister Head,
I'm sorry.  If I had known you were so thin-skinned and would get so upset and start swearing, I wouldn't have said anything about your  response to the comments "froggydo" and I made in the Shaq entry.  Please accept my humble apology.
*MoodyTurtle*

It really isn't necessary to apologise.  And you can swear all you like on ISM, just don't be dising the brave and creative people who make it all possible.